It looks like the Supremes are looking for a way to let him off the hook… either by looking for an excuse for saying what the Constitution does NOT say, or by delay, delay, delay…
What would making a President immune from the law do to our country? One thing for sure, it would confer the powers of a king, or an emperor, or, an absolute dictator on the executive office. It would kill our democracy. A president is not a king. But it sure looks like SCOTUS is going to confer immunity on the orange scuzzbag.
I’m not counting on it. It’s clear after Thrusday’s argument’s that the so-called conservatives on SCOTUS are in Trump’s pocket and they were looking for a way to write their opinions to force the lower courts to give Trump all the delay he wants so that the federal legal system won’t actually try him for his alleged crimes. SCOTUS is openly now showing their contempt for the Constitution and the law, that they believe Trump is above the law. It’s disgusting. To preserve the Constitution, the country now absolutely needs a large Democratic party majority in both the House and Senate as well as the presidency to keep this ridiculous set of jurists in check.
Not as long as the SCOTUS right-wingers hold sway. Looks like 5 of the 6 of them, led by Alito and Kavanaugh, are going to throw more sand in the grinding wheels of justice regarding Trump’s total and absolute immunity case. They are poised to send the case back to lower court to find out if Trump’s J6 insurrection instigation (still, amazingly, an “alleged” action) was for personal gain or not, i.e., “official or private.” The metaphor of “blind justice” seems to apply to the right-wing “judiciary” — with a heavy accent on the “blind” part and all but completely innocent of the influence of the “justice” part.
Well if the President is above the law, he could have Thomas, Alito and Kavanaugh arrested, because he can. No need for any rules or laws, because he can.
I hope that if the corrupt 6 DO give trump full immunity (they will) that since Presidents can do whatever they want, Biden sends in Seal Team Six to “remove” the republicons on the court and to shoot trump on 5th avenue at high noon.
The integrity of this court has been compromised. Some justices misrepresented their views on Roe v. Wade during confirmation, and we have Thomas and Alito, who appear to be influenced by wealthy interests. Additionally, Thomas’s wife was involved in the insurrection. When critics argue that there’s a two-tiered justice system, they are correct, albeit not in the manner they might think.”
Peter Falk as Columbo…“I’m sorry sir, just one more question. If MAGA are the fascists, why are you guys the ones controlling the media, censoring, going after guns, and using the DOJ and FBI to go after your opposition”?
The SC justices are projecting. Only Insurrectionist 45 mentions taking authoritarian measures up to and including assassination for political purposes, other presidents somehow had the self-restraint to not do so.
Allow me to clarify. The focus was never on the asinine legal theories that Trump and his lawyers had presented for months; it was always about the strategic delay. The aim was to postpone any significant trial until after the election, enabling him to secure a victory and potentially evade legal consequences. Now, the SCOTUS is set to refer the matter back to the Federal Courts for further clarification. This sequence of events implies that Trump’s trial will take place well after the election.
Therefore, the power to keep Trump from a second term lies in the hands of sane Americans, as it always has. Two years ago, Trump was at 46% (his core). Last year, Trump was at 46%. And a week ago, Trump is at 46%. He is locked in and can’t move beyond the ceiling of his cult of voters. While Biden, and the potential for change, is free to continue to improve his standing. Keeping Trump from a second term is in our hands. When, not if we mobilize and turn out the vote, Trump will lose. Remember what is at stake:
Women’s reproductive rights
Fixing Immigration, not building concentration camps like Trump wants to do
Protecting Social Security, not ending it like Trump wants to do
Protecting democracy, not ending it like Trump said he would
Protecting the Country from Terrorism, not letting Trump appoint people who don’t know what they are doing
Protecting the best jobs market & economy in years
A President who is kind, and we can be proud of
As I said. The 2024 election is in our hands, and democracy is at stake.
WARNING: projectile vomiting may be induced by reading the following:
Google: trump supreme court immunity case
Google: Takeaways from the Supreme Court arguments on Trump’s absolute immunity claims
“After nearly three hours of oral arguments, several of the justices seemed willing to embrace a result that could jeopardize the ability to hold a trial before the November election.”
“The former president, who lamented not attending arguments in Washington as he is on trial in New York in a separate criminal trial, in which he has pleaded not guilty, was represented by attorney John Sauer.”
“Central to Thursday’s arguments was what would qualify as an “official” act of the presidency that may be protected by a finding of immunity versus what constitutes private conduct."
I felt like Alice falling down the rabbit hole while listening to the oral arguments given by tRumps attorneys. Their arguments of what constituted official duties and how he couldn’t be tried twice for the same crimes because he’s had already been tried once (the second impeachment) by the Senate, were so convoluted and absolutely insane and yet the Supremes treated their arguments as reasonable. I suggest that since Congress refuses to do anything about them, we just ignore anything the Supremes say or do and go on with the business of governing without them until the fascists and theocrats among them die off. Vote Blue
When you’re a democrat and you’ve lost the N.Y. Times, you know you’re in trouble (as he should be. He sucks!) New York Times blasts Biden for ‘avoiding questions’ from journalists in blistering statement.
Presidents can’t have immunity from crimes they commit.
Presidential Immunity has always only been intended for war time decisions and decisions used in the USA’s defense. Decisions that can be wrong, due to intelligence of the time and such.
It certainly was never intended to allow a President to go on a crime spree. Especially, one that evidence points at Traitor Trump selling intelligence to America’s enemies. That would be insane and turn the USA into the Banana Republic. Of course that is exactly what the Republicans are trying to establish.
Stop the madness! Vote Democratic up and down the ticket. Rinse, repeat for as long as necessary.
If, as FJB says in his first post, the left controls the media, then why does The NY Times criticize Biden, as FJB notes in his second post? For that matter, where does FJB get the alternative facts he routinely posts?
The book looks like it’s never been opened. Based on the ‘immunity’ arguments play conducted at the supreme court yesterday, it’s pretty clear the gop buys judges to ensure the book will only be opened when and if it suits them.
Some justices have been on TV saying what terrible things could happen if a President were given total immunity. IF they know this, their ruling should be easy. And why don’t they realize he is doing this just for himself! He could care less about future Presidents!!!
We’ll know more (to what extent the 6 USSC righties, and particularly the behind-the-scenes GOP shot caller Federalist Society, decides about the extent of US law Presidents present and past are obliged to comply with) sometime near Independence Day 2024.
WASHINGTON, April 25 (Reuters) – The Supreme Court’s conservative justices signaled support on Thursday for U.S. presidents having some level of protection from criminal charges for certain acts taken in office as it tackled Donald Trump’s claim of immunity from prosecution for trying to undo his 2020 election loss.
finish reading the article (if interested) by googling that paragraph
From the Book of Followers, Chapter 7, Bankruptcy of The Inconvenient Store of Morals 11:
And, Lo, if thee are a mind-clouded, selfish, self-important, stone-solid butt-head in the Land of Many Truly Needy, thou shalt pay a hefty premium of thy Liberty and Treasure in trade for Justice to the many wronged and who suffer without end your plagues of fool’s curse.
The technical question for today: tRump wants immunity however he also claims he did not take the oath of office for presidency, if he did not take that oath, then technically he was not president, no problem send him straight to jail!
Make no mistake, if the Corrupt 6 give the Orange Fuhrer any immunity, there will be no Democratic Party nominee in 2028. Just like every other 3rd world s-hole country where the opposition gets eliminated or jailed, they’ll announce their candidacy then vanish within the week. That’s why his lawyers keep bringing up eliminating his rivals. Because they’re going to if it’s made legal. The fact that the Founders overthrew a king and a tyrant so drafted the Constitution to prevent that from happening again doesn’t seem to matter at all to the Corrupt 6. Hope everyone who stayed home in 2016 because of the emails is happy now. But you don’t get to say your life never meant anything. You got to directly contribute to the end of Democracy. And that goes for everyone who doesn’t vote for Biden in Nov. too.
Flashaaway 23 days ago
The way the SCOTUS seems to be swaying is for Trump to get his immunity for all his crimes. Why has no action been taken on Thomas taking bribes?
knutdl 23 days ago
45 fought the law and the law won (sad story or just booooooooring?)
braindead Premium Member 23 days ago
Not the MAGAt version.
The Republican Supreme Court is doing all it can to delay /avoid accountability.
FreyjaRN Premium Member 23 days ago
I hope so. I like your small print. From your keyboard to God’s terminal.
Godfreydaniel 23 days ago
Yeah , NO member worthy of the name of the Supreme Court could possibly feel other than contempt for Traitor Trump.
dickanders Premium Member 23 days ago
It looks like the Supremes are looking for a way to let him off the hook… either by looking for an excuse for saying what the Constitution does NOT say, or by delay, delay, delay…
S&C = Dismayed&Depressed 23 days ago
What would making a President immune from the law do to our country? One thing for sure, it would confer the powers of a king, or an emperor, or, an absolute dictator on the executive office. It would kill our democracy. A president is not a king. But it sure looks like SCOTUS is going to confer immunity on the orange scuzzbag.
GOGOPOWERANGERS 23 days ago
DA LAU ~ JUDGE DREDD
Walter Kocker Premium Member 23 days ago
If presidential immunity is granted, Alito has said he’s worried about Seal Team 6 going after Trump.
What would cause them to stop there?
Walrus Gumbo Premium Member 23 days ago
Another book of fiction.
pasharuzam Premium Member 23 days ago
I’m not counting on it. It’s clear after Thrusday’s argument’s that the so-called conservatives on SCOTUS are in Trump’s pocket and they were looking for a way to write their opinions to force the lower courts to give Trump all the delay he wants so that the federal legal system won’t actually try him for his alleged crimes. SCOTUS is openly now showing their contempt for the Constitution and the law, that they believe Trump is above the law. It’s disgusting. To preserve the Constitution, the country now absolutely needs a large Democratic party majority in both the House and Senate as well as the presidency to keep this ridiculous set of jurists in check.
phritzg Premium Member 23 days ago
At the present time, a book of laws that apply to Drumpf looks like one of those books where all the pages are blank.
Walrus Gumbo Premium Member 23 days ago
When the highest court in the land is corrupt, there is no justice!
A# 466 23 days ago
Not as long as the SCOTUS right-wingers hold sway. Looks like 5 of the 6 of them, led by Alito and Kavanaugh, are going to throw more sand in the grinding wheels of justice regarding Trump’s total and absolute immunity case. They are poised to send the case back to lower court to find out if Trump’s J6 insurrection instigation (still, amazingly, an “alleged” action) was for personal gain or not, i.e., “official or private.” The metaphor of “blind justice” seems to apply to the right-wing “judiciary” — with a heavy accent on the “blind” part and all but completely innocent of the influence of the “justice” part.
smithsilverstrea 23 days ago
With yesterday’s review by the Supreme’s Court, you probably should be looking at a much thinner book.
moosemin 23 days ago
The law hasn’t won anything yet. Too much money stands above it.
JoeStoppinghem Premium Member 23 days ago
Well if the President is above the law, he could have Thomas, Alito and Kavanaugh arrested, because he can. No need for any rules or laws, because he can.
PraiseofFolly 23 days ago
Trump’s lawyers have turned that big thick book of Law into a “cheat sheet.”
akachman Premium Member 23 days ago
So far, it does not seem true. This evil POS gets away with multiple violations day after day.
Dangerguy 23 days ago
I still think if they actually give him immunity, Biden should order him to be arrested and held incommunicado at Guantanamo, like Ginny said.
Tomscomics70 23 days ago
Reality bites!
Direwolf 23 days ago
I hope that if the corrupt 6 DO give trump full immunity (they will) that since Presidents can do whatever they want, Biden sends in Seal Team Six to “remove” the republicons on the court and to shoot trump on 5th avenue at high noon.
The Nodding Head 23 days ago
BANNED in Idaho, Texas, Florida, et. al.
FrannieL Premium Member 23 days ago
The integrity of this court has been compromised. Some justices misrepresented their views on Roe v. Wade during confirmation, and we have Thomas and Alito, who appear to be influenced by wealthy interests. Additionally, Thomas’s wife was involved in the insurrection. When critics argue that there’s a two-tiered justice system, they are correct, albeit not in the manner they might think.”
FJB Premium Member 23 days ago
Peter Falk as Columbo…“I’m sorry sir, just one more question. If MAGA are the fascists, why are you guys the ones controlling the media, censoring, going after guns, and using the DOJ and FBI to go after your opposition”?
mourdac Premium Member 23 days ago
The SC justices are projecting. Only Insurrectionist 45 mentions taking authoritarian measures up to and including assassination for political purposes, other presidents somehow had the self-restraint to not do so.
rs0204 Premium Member 23 days ago
Trump has already won his case.
Allow me to clarify. The focus was never on the asinine legal theories that Trump and his lawyers had presented for months; it was always about the strategic delay. The aim was to postpone any significant trial until after the election, enabling him to secure a victory and potentially evade legal consequences. Now, the SCOTUS is set to refer the matter back to the Federal Courts for further clarification. This sequence of events implies that Trump’s trial will take place well after the election.
Therefore, the power to keep Trump from a second term lies in the hands of sane Americans, as it always has. Two years ago, Trump was at 46% (his core). Last year, Trump was at 46%. And a week ago, Trump is at 46%. He is locked in and can’t move beyond the ceiling of his cult of voters. While Biden, and the potential for change, is free to continue to improve his standing. Keeping Trump from a second term is in our hands. When, not if we mobilize and turn out the vote, Trump will lose. Remember what is at stake:
Women’s reproductive rights
Fixing Immigration, not building concentration camps like Trump wants to do
Protecting Social Security, not ending it like Trump wants to do
Protecting democracy, not ending it like Trump said he would
Protecting the Country from Terrorism, not letting Trump appoint people who don’t know what they are doing
Protecting the best jobs market & economy in years
A President who is kind, and we can be proud of
As I said. The 2024 election is in our hands, and democracy is at stake.
For a Just and Peaceful World 23 days ago
WARNING: projectile vomiting may be induced by reading the following:
Google: trump supreme court immunity case
Google: Takeaways from the Supreme Court arguments on Trump’s absolute immunity claims
“After nearly three hours of oral arguments, several of the justices seemed willing to embrace a result that could jeopardize the ability to hold a trial before the November election.”
“The former president, who lamented not attending arguments in Washington as he is on trial in New York in a separate criminal trial, in which he has pleaded not guilty, was represented by attorney John Sauer.”
“Central to Thursday’s arguments was what would qualify as an “official” act of the presidency that may be protected by a finding of immunity versus what constitutes private conduct."
More Coffee Please! Premium Member 23 days ago
Fingers crossed but I’m not holding my breath. God how I hate that man.
robcarroll1213 23 days ago
Can the judges please read that book and grow some spines?
ladykat 23 days ago
I certainly hope so.
MC4802 Premium Member 23 days ago
But let justice roll down like waters, and righteousness like an ever-flowing stream.
NRHAWK Premium Member 23 days ago
I felt like Alice falling down the rabbit hole while listening to the oral arguments given by tRumps attorneys. Their arguments of what constituted official duties and how he couldn’t be tried twice for the same crimes because he’s had already been tried once (the second impeachment) by the Senate, were so convoluted and absolutely insane and yet the Supremes treated their arguments as reasonable. I suggest that since Congress refuses to do anything about them, we just ignore anything the Supremes say or do and go on with the business of governing without them until the fascists and theocrats among them die off. Vote Blue
BB71 23 days ago
What law did Trump break?
Radish the wordsmith 23 days ago
The right wing Supreme Quacks want to overthrow the Constitution for a traitor Trump right wing fascist dictatorship.
FJB Premium Member 23 days ago
When you’re a democrat and you’ve lost the N.Y. Times, you know you’re in trouble (as he should be. He sucks!) New York Times blasts Biden for ‘avoiding questions’ from journalists in blistering statement.
ShadowMaster 23 days ago
I notice he hasn’t used the excuse that these women “were not my type.”
leonardonyc 23 days ago
Exactly… you cant change it just to fit it against him
GiantShetlandPony 23 days ago
Presidents can’t have immunity from crimes they commit.
Presidential Immunity has always only been intended for war time decisions and decisions used in the USA’s defense. Decisions that can be wrong, due to intelligence of the time and such.
It certainly was never intended to allow a President to go on a crime spree. Especially, one that evidence points at Traitor Trump selling intelligence to America’s enemies. That would be insane and turn the USA into the Banana Republic. Of course that is exactly what the Republicans are trying to establish.
Stop the madness! Vote Democratic up and down the ticket. Rinse, repeat for as long as necessary.
Another Take 23 days ago
Trump will throw in that book with every purchase of his bible.
Lord King Wazmo Premium Member 23 days ago
A Trump re-election would be the second plane. No more doubt about what the USA is.
Gnork 23 days ago
If, as FJB says in his first post, the left controls the media, then why does The NY Times criticize Biden, as FJB notes in his second post? For that matter, where does FJB get the alternative facts he routinely posts?
MilesFromNowhere 23 days ago
The book looks like it’s never been opened. Based on the ‘immunity’ arguments play conducted at the supreme court yesterday, it’s pretty clear the gop buys judges to ensure the book will only be opened when and if it suits them.
Perkycat 23 days ago
Some justices have been on TV saying what terrible things could happen if a President were given total immunity. IF they know this, their ruling should be easy. And why don’t they realize he is doing this just for himself! He could care less about future Presidents!!!
walkingmancomics 23 days ago
we’ll see. not looking too good, though. SCOTUS is oh, a wee tad ‘biased’ shall we say?
lsnrchrd.1 Premium Member 23 days ago
We’ll know more (to what extent the 6 USSC righties, and particularly the behind-the-scenes GOP shot caller Federalist Society, decides about the extent of US law Presidents present and past are obliged to comply with) sometime near Independence Day 2024.
WASHINGTON, April 25 (Reuters) – The Supreme Court’s conservative justices signaled support on Thursday for U.S. presidents having some level of protection from criminal charges for certain acts taken in office as it tackled Donald Trump’s claim of immunity from prosecution for trying to undo his 2020 election loss.
finish reading the article (if interested) by googling that paragraph
Ally2005 23 days ago
The SCOTUS three plus three have become a wing of the GQP cult. Just what T wanted.
cdward 23 days ago
With the current SCOTUS, however, law doesn’t actually mean anything — only what helps TFG.
931st UAP Recon Squadron • "They Honk-Guano Tonks" 23 days ago
From the Book of Followers, Chapter 7, Bankruptcy of The Inconvenient Store of Morals 11:
And, Lo, if thee are a mind-clouded, selfish, self-important, stone-solid butt-head in the Land of Many Truly Needy, thou shalt pay a hefty premium of thy Liberty and Treasure in trade for Justice to the many wronged and who suffer without end your plagues of fool’s curse.
charliekane 23 days ago
Keepin’ our fingers crossed . . .
AndrewSihler 23 days ago
This must predate the disastrous Oral Arguments before the Supreme Court yesterday (Apr 25).
outgolfing 23 days ago
We can only hope. It sounds like the Stooge Court may want to give him partial immunity.
Grandma Lea 23 days ago
The technical question for today: tRump wants immunity however he also claims he did not take the oath of office for presidency, if he did not take that oath, then technically he was not president, no problem send him straight to jail!
smartman 23 days ago
Make no mistake, if the Corrupt 6 give the Orange Fuhrer any immunity, there will be no Democratic Party nominee in 2028. Just like every other 3rd world s-hole country where the opposition gets eliminated or jailed, they’ll announce their candidacy then vanish within the week. That’s why his lawyers keep bringing up eliminating his rivals. Because they’re going to if it’s made legal. The fact that the Founders overthrew a king and a tyrant so drafted the Constitution to prevent that from happening again doesn’t seem to matter at all to the Corrupt 6. Hope everyone who stayed home in 2016 because of the emails is happy now. But you don’t get to say your life never meant anything. You got to directly contribute to the end of Democracy. And that goes for everyone who doesn’t vote for Biden in Nov. too.
ragsarooni Premium Member 23 days ago
Looks to be about as thick as the new Barbra Streisand book…….